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Re: [apsa_itp] community law-making, a system based on recombinant text
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- From: "Peter Muhlberger" <peter.muhlberger@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:06:41 -0500
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Hi Michael and others: I'm a social scientist who is quite interested in communityware. Here are some potential hurdles for Michael's community lawmaking proposal: People aren't lawyers. Will participants be able to draft laws that are sufficiently precise and technically consistent with the existing legal framework? People aren't political. Most Americans understand politics little better than quantum mechanics and are about as interested in it. If community lawmaking were adopted, would this not end up either being lawmaking by a select elite of people who are a) interested in and b) (quasi-) knowledgeable about politics? I suspect any effort to involve people in direct democracy must be preceeded by a range of civil society efforts to get the average person more involved and interested. My own focus is with various efforts at cultivating democratic deliberation, efforts that are advisory for political institutions and carried out by civil society in various ways. People are twisted. The average American scores quite high on a measure of Right-Wing Authoritarianism (RWA). Do we really want a direct democracy with a public a substantial portion of which thinks along lines similar to the Nazis (ethnocentrism, obedience to authority, punishing attitudes toward deviance, etc.)? Again, I think some intermediate political education efforts are needed. RWA is in part due to inadequate socio-political understandings that might be fixed as people are challenged to reason about social and political matters. This creates a case for more civil society efforts to involve people in democratic discussion, but I suspect direct democracy would result in a variety of problems. Community lawmaking might be a step in the right direction if it we introduced first as an effort to create rules in non-political social settings and then as non-binding efforts to suggest laws to lawmakers. That's pretty much the best that can be hoped for in the medium run anyway. Cheers, Peter -- apsa_itp mailing list served by Harvard-MIT Data Center List Address: apsa_itp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.hmdc.harvard.edu/?info=apsa_itp
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